In an interview with Jacob Kirkegaard, Shona Murray discusses the implications of recent geopolitical events, particularly the Israel-Palestine conflict and the war in Ukraine, for Europe. Kirkegaard highlights the economic risks of escalation in the Middle East and the EU's struggle with perceived double standards in its foreign policy. He emphasizes the importance of EU unity and the need for ongoing support for Ukraine, while also addressing the challenges posed by Hungary's political stance. The conversation touches on Ukraine's potential NATO membership and the necessity for EU integration to counter Russian aggression.